1 Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:33 PM

Hi. I am making this kit for the first time as it has just arrived at my LHBS. I see from the kit yeast sticky that it comes with lager yeast, so I am brewing it as such (starter + beer fridge). Very curious to try it.

PB2, at one time you posted a list of which (finishing) hops are in which kits but I cannot find that thread back now, so don't know if you updated that list with the info about the Golden Crown Lager or not. Did you? Could you? And can you please provide a link that that thread?

Thanks PB2.

Cheers,

Christina.

2 Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 1:53 PM

For what it's worth, I really liked this one. A friend thought it tasted like ‘something you’d brew in gaol' but he drinks Wild Yak and John Boston so I think you can disregard that. He also hated a nice Pils I loved and bought a 6er for him because I thought he'd love it, too! Good thing is though, he bought them back over the weekend and I was so happy to see them again! I'm rambling. .

It was very unique. I'm strongly guessing POW

3 Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 2:03 PM

Thanks Corky, but what's POW?

Oh, I found that thread I was asking about:

https://www.coopers.com.au/coopers-forum/topic/15125/?page=1#p172929

Cheers,

Christina.

4 Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 3:31 PM

ChristinaS1:

Thanks Corky, but what's POW?

Oh, I found that thread I was asking about:

https://www.coopers.com.au/coopers-forum/topic/15125/?page=1#p172929

Cheers,

Christina.

Think corky means pride of ringwood (POR) not pow

5 Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 5:40 PM

Oh yeahh, just saw the typo. There are no P.O.W's in Coopers golden crown lager (far as I'm aware anyway)

Thanks for correcting me! Sorry Chris'

6 Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 9:35 PM

Hope I like the kit. I bought two of them.

Christina.

7 Posted: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:13 PM

Bump.

8 Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 2:53 AM

Well, I guess PB2 is not going to answer my question, so I will give my own review. I just bottled my first batch and tasted the leftovers, which was mixed with priming sugar.

Whatever the late hops are, I am not a fan. It is not one I recognize. I agree with Corksniffer that it is very distinctive. I find it bears some resemblance to Saaz, without being Saaz; it is more harsh. Corksniffer may well be right that it is POR, but I don't know, as I have never tried it (before).

As for my second kit of this, I think I am going to late hop it with Hallertauer, or something like that.

Cheers,

Christina.

9 Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:27 AM

Would be nice to be able to ask a question directly to somebody
IE: @PB2 and have it flag as a notification for him ….poor guy would never get any work done if it did though

10 Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 8:20 PM

Sorry Christina, I read the posts and thought that you had answered your own question by finding the thread to which you referred. I didn't think to open the thread and check to see if Golden Crown Lager was listed.

Updated now!
https://club.coopers.com.au/coopers-forum/topic/15125/?page=1#p172929

11 Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 9:27 PM

Christina, ever since Coopers released this kit I have been curious to try a Dortmunder Export beer and researched the style extensively. I think it is one I will really enjoy with that malty, bready base balanced with hop bitterness and flavour.

Thanks for sharing your review. I'm yet to decide if I will try this kit or if I will try and craft one from a pure extract base. Likely to be the latter, but I have had only good experience with the TC series cans. 86 Days Pilsner and Brew A IPA were good brews and all I did was a late flavour boil (and dry hop in the IPA)

12 Posted: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:55 PM

PB2:

Sorry Christina, I read the posts and thought that you had answered your own question by finding the thread to which you referred. I didn't think to open the thread and check to see if Golden Crown Lager was listed.

Updated now!
https://club.coopers.com.au/coopers-forum/topic/15125/?page=1#p172929


Thanks PB2. It was an easy mistake for a busy man.

Yes, I can taste the “herbaceous” and “resinous” notes. I'll have to pay more attention once its carbonated to see if I can discern any floral ones.

Cheers,

Christina.

13 Posted: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:16 PM

Hi Christina.

I was just wondering how your beers turned out with this kit?

Last night I opened & sampled a bottle of a brew I did using this kit. Flavour is very good, beautiful & clear in the glass, & pours well. Just one problem though, what head does develop, disappears faster than a fart in a fan factory & it becomes very flat fairly quickly as a result.

I was kindly gifted the Pilsner kit to offer feedback on by Coopers around the release time of the new kits, & had the same issue with that kit. Again, it was the only fault as the flavour(s) & presentation of the beer were good.

I even added some steeped CaraPils with this one, & still no improvement. It's certainly got me stumped what is causing this.

Cheers,

Lusty.

14 Posted: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:14 AM

Hi Lusty,

Yes, same experience with lack of head retention with this kit, and I made it twice. The first time I made the kit I didn't add hops, the second time I added some Willamette. I also used some of the slurry from this kit to ferment an OS Lager kit, to which I added Hallertau hops. All of them had pretty lousy head retention. It did make me wonder if it was the yeast. Could it have anything to do with the higher attenuation rate of lager yeasts vs most ale yeast?….I find head retention in lighter coloured kits is often a problem. I used to use a fair bit of wheat in my lighter colour brews to address this, which did help, but I got away from using wheat when I started getting phenolic off flavours using it together with US-05.

They say a lack of head is due to a lack of foam positive factors, or too many foam negative factors, but who knows which ones….Have read that contrary to popular belief neither Carapils nor crystal malts are foam positive factors, but hops are. Note that Willamette and Hallertau are low alpha, and I did not use much, and did not dry hop. I find dry hopping with dual purpose hops really helps my ales, as does a partial mash with Munich.

Cheers,

Christina.

15 Posted: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:48 AM

Note that I don't brew from kits any more but my pilsner batches always have pretty decent head retention. Perhaps it's due to the mountain of Saaz hops that are used in them because I don't bitter with high alpha hops early in the boil in these beers, or maybe it's the mash rest at 72C, which I have read assists in retaining foam. I can only guess that the make up of the kit has something to do with the poor head retention.

16 Posted: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:40 PM

Thanks for the reply Christina.

Interesting that we both have had the same problem.

ChristinaS1:

They say a lack of head is due to a lack of foam positive factors, or too many foam negative factors, but who knows which ones….Have read that contrary to popular belief neither Carapils nor crystal malts are foam positive factors, but hops are.

I recently commented on a post by BlackSands on what I understand foam positive/negative to mean. To me from listening to Charlie Bamforth speak of this, I personally interpret what he said to centre around the production of foam, NOT the retention of foam once it is produced. Anything that adds body into the beer will aid in foam/head retention. CaraPils is designed to add body without adding colour (TTBOMK).

Maybe I simply didn't add enough? Maybe choosing CaraPils was the wrong option being it is classed as a dextrin malt grain. Maybe CaraFoam is what I should be looking to use? It's still surprising the kit doesn't encompass aspects for this, as most of the other Coopers kits I've used produce nice head development & retention all on their own without much need for other adjuncts/grains etc.

I too added some extra late hops with my brew, just for aroma. That said, I think it is the bittering hops that play the contributing role to head development.

Otto Von Blotto:

Note that I don't brew from kits any more but my pilsner batches always have pretty decent head retention. Perhaps it's due to the mountain of Saaz hops that are used in them because I don't bitter with high alpha hops early in the boil in these beers, or maybe it's the mash rest at 72C, which I have read assists in retaining foam. I can only guess that the make up of the kit has something to do with the poor head retention.

+1

We could both be wrong , but at the moment my headspace is inline with your angle on it.

We shall soldier on regardless.

Cheers & good brewing,

Lusty.

17 Posted: Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:11 PM

CaraFoam and CaraPils are the same thing, it's only called CaraFoam in America because Weyermann was too slow to register it as their trademark before Briess did it. Something like that anyway, I can't find the bloody page where it was explained now.

Carapils has been a Weyermann trademark in Australia since 1926, according to this picture from their website (probably too small to read on here). I'm guessing they've kept it renewed until present.

Last edited by Otto Von Blotto (Thursday, April 27, 2017 10:11 PM)